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Balance correctness

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Next update will introduce a new balance feature called "balance correctness".

In short what this will do is pick the balance method (between the 3 existing balance methods we got, and maybe more in the future) that is the most accurate to the specific event running.

For example if in Korean TvT the best balance method is Count, it will be used, if for boss events the best balance method is Gear, it will be used.

The system decides what the best balance method is depending on historical data accuracy.

For example if ELO was used for boss event and order side lost, the system will reduce ELO's balance score for that event and increase it for any other method that says Order should've had more players.

The tablet of information will show which balance method was used for each event.

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isn’t it a little bit late? Why do you take care of server when everything end as always?

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3 hours ago, Okan said:

isn’t it a little bit late? Why do you take care of server when everything end as always?

Because people don`t want them in the middle of on-going season.

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No its just cause Emerald decides to do something good for the server when the server is almost dead . When a lot of players that played ovc like 3-4 years spam that something is wrong with the balance he just answers "no sense" or just lock the topic. 

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10 hours ago, katanovii said:

No its just cause Emerald decides to do something good for the server when the server is almost dead . When a lot of players that played ovc like 3-4 years spam that something is wrong with the balance he just answers "no sense" or just lock the topic. 

This single word is the reason for his reaction.

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11 minutes ago, Chevignon said:

This single word is the reason for his reaction.

If you ignore everyone and everything that people say eventually you'll feel that this is spamming. It's like being a chef and everyday  the waiters come back at you with the same dish over and over again saying that people is complaining about it and your answer is "i want proof". I'm not saying to take in consideration aaaaall of those messages but i believe you should listen to some people that play in the server for many years. Every season is worse than the previous one. Every season ends faster than the previous one. Every season people complaining. This season lasted 1 week for gods sake...These are not enough as proofs? 

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24 minutes ago, TheStinger said:

If you ignore everyone and everything that people say eventually you'll feel that this is spamming. It's like being a chef and everyday  the waiters come back at you with the same dish over and over again saying that people is complaining about it and your answer is "i want proof". I'm not saying to take in consideration aaaaall of those messages but i believe you should listen to some people that play in the server for many years. Every season is worse than the previous one. Every season ends faster than the previous one. Every season people complaining. This season lasted 1 week for gods sake...These are not enough as proofs? 

so true

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On 2/23/2020 at 10:40 AM, TheStinger said:

If you ignore everyone and everything that people say eventually you'll feel that this is spamming. It's like being a chef and everyday  the waiters come back at you with the same dish over and over again saying that people is complaining about it and your answer is "i want proof". I'm not saying to take in consideration aaaaall of those messages but i believe you should listen to some people that play in the server for many years. Every season is worse than the previous one. Every season ends faster than the previous one. Every season people complaining. This season lasted 1 week for gods sake...These are not enough as proofs? 

You have somehow a point in this "i want proof" thing. I would also like to see that Emerald would be a player to feel problems by himself but in the end its his decision.

But i cant agree about your last point with the season endings. The last interlude season lasted like 2 month and there werent any big changes and this one died much faster as you say.

So i ask you, what was the reason ?

Warlords didnt had any changes but now they were the problem. Whats the reason for ? You say Emerald should listen to " some people that play in the server for many years". I missed their complains about Warlords in the last years...

If you ask me the biggest problem isnt emerald or the balance. Its the Community themself which is looking every season for the most abusive behavior of classes to "dominate" in any way. Also the Faction Choice of all the well known clans are an factor.

Dont get me wrong, i would also make some other balance changes which are the right ones in my opinion. But i also learned that every single balance change for a class have an effect for every other class too. Effects that, atleast i, couldnt imagine before in his whole width and this is, what most of the complaining guys fully underestimate.

 

 

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Warlords always had a problem.  People need some time to learn and they were just more used now 🙂I am wondering if u know which one it is.

U cant blame people to play the best class lol

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Just now, Aantaria said:

Warlords always had a problem.  People need some time to learn and they were just more used now 🙂I am wondering if u know which one it is.

U cant blame people to play the best class lol

The point is that there should not be a "best class", and here we are ...season after season ... People still finding ways to abuse stuff.

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guys please give the guy some credit he is trying to keep this server alive 

+ is the only good faction server around here ... the faction lovers will chose this server believe me what i say 

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Emerald alone can't see all the pros and cons of a change or a balance that is already in effect.(Proven in the past that big mistakes were made that killed the server)

 

Would be nice for him to have a council and a test server and implement some changes after they were checked with the council on the test server. This can be done during weekend (maybe Saturdays) when people can be on at same time. Not playing his server and waiting for random people(that might not even know the game) to bring proof on the table it's so '90. I'm sorry, but people won't ever share "their secrets" and if they can abuse anything (bug or not) to get an advantage over others they will. How many people came on the forums saying their class is OP and would need some adjustments? NONE

 

Also would be nice to gather all the balance changes affecting each class in a single topic so that if someone wants to start playing a class they know what they are dealing with from start (don't even bother saying that there is such thing here:

because this is not what I'm referring to). 

 

Have a good one.

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1 hour ago, Chevignon said:

You have somehow a point in this "i want proof" thing. I would also like to see that Emerald would be a player to feel problems by himself but in the end its his decision.

But i cant agree about your last point with the season endings. The last interlude season lasted like 2 month and there werent any big changes and this one died much faster as you say.

So i ask you, what was the reason ?

Warlords didnt had any changes but now they were the problem. Whats the reason for ? You say Emerald should listen to " some people that play in the server for many years". I missed their complains about Warlords in the last years...

If you ask me the biggest problem isnt emerald or the balance. Its the Community themself which is looking every season for the most abusive behavior of classes to "dominate" in any way. Also the Faction Choice of all the well known clans are an factor.

Dont get me wrong, i would also make some other balance changes which are the right ones in my opinion. But i also learned that every single balance change for a class have an effect for every other class too. Effects that, atleast i, couldnt imagine before in his whole width and this is, what most of the complaining guys fully underestimate.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with warlords. People don't know how to counter the situation. Most of the warlords are solo no party but people instead of canceling them and kill them they just ignore them and they stay inside. I totally agree with the community. Every single season the community demands a new nerf which before it wasn't a problem. They abuse of WL's for example was totally for more adena farm. There were some main WL's in some pt's but mostly was for adena! But the problem is that the difference between the amount of money you farm with your main character and a bot is huge. Not just huge...People were killing or they just hit me 2-3 hits and they pm me about the crazy amount of adena i give. 1000 adena average. Me from the other hand even if i kill someone solo the maximum amount is like 200 adena. So the more progress you have as a player (rank/gear/OE) the less amount of adena you make. And you always want more. You want more OE on your weapon,you want more augments,you want more OE on jewel/armor,you want more OE on skills. So even with "that" gear people choose to play with bot cause they make more money. Cause all they care at that point is OE and LS. You already have everything all you need to be better and stronger than others with the same gear is the OE and LS.  

 

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well jack if u make a new Archer with bop/mage u wont get 2000a 😄 so there is something wrong with some classes like Warlords

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22 minutes ago, Aantaria said:

well jack if u make a new Archer with bop/mage u wont get 2000a 😄 so there is something wrong with some classes like Warlords

A mage called "PoRNo" with dc set +6, epics and am more than +8 gave me 2 hits and took 975 adena. 🙂 

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