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Vote: clans #2

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* Clans will stay as they are.
* A new NPC will be added which will show each faction their reputation and clan skills.
* Each PvP will reward the faction with 1 point.
* Each event will reward both factions with points depending on their score.
* When enough points are collected to learn certain clan skills, they will be auto learned to everyone.
* Every midnight 3% points will be reduced from each faction.
* The faction can lose certain clan skills if the points become lower than the needed requirement after the midnight reduction.
* Clans can still learn clan skills on their own, without the risk of losing them if the faction drops below the requirement.

Everything is open for changes, it is only a draft.
If I missed something let me know and i'll add it.
This is something that can be applied this season if it passes.

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I like this version better, people can keep their crest and their reputation and the drama ^^ and everyone has Clan Skills.

You could still make that people need to be Noble or else to acquire certain clan skills as a No Clan.

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How you came to the result that there is something wrong with clans i dont get it, no1 invests in clan in this server its day 30 and only 5 clans have lvl8, previous season i played was the same deal. I told you previous season if you want to change something add clan skills to all clan members maybe people will care this way. 

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4 minutes ago, NioMode said:

How you came to the result that there is something wrong with clans i dont get it, no1 invests in clan in this server its day 30 and only 5 clans have lvl8, previous season i played was the same deal. I told you previous season if you want to change something add clan skills to all clan members maybe people will care this way. 

Then you clearly understood it all wrong, the whole point is that people will NOT join clans randomly just for the skills by making it available to clanless people too.

This way people will also not suffer the temporary faction change penalty while having a clan, because they won't need it anymore.

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Just now, Emerald said:

Then you clearly understood it all wrong, the whole point is that people will NOT join clans randomly just for the skills by making it available to clanless people too.

This way people will also not suffer the temporary faction change penalty while having a clan, because they won't need it anymore.

But at this server , without epics- raids- organized team fights - exp spot to pvp for the only reason for someone to join a clan is the skills. By geting every1 full clan skills tho you make people stay in a clan and invest for it so they gain some extra stats. I miss some points of your post yes, basically you want to make factions as a "mother" clan for everyone and then the clans will be something like royals- dont know how to call it-  but this way why would anyone join a clan at first place .

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I would rather have one clan for each faction, it would make us feel more like a team too, I really like this idea and I think we all need it, please make this change :) 

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Why not simply remove clan skills? So ppl join clan cuz of friendship and not for skills?

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Btw 60% of you voted yes  for free bonus stats ofc, why wouldnt you. Just ask yourself , if you have an item you farmed for like me and my clan did (we got lvl8 before taking castle) and suddenly there is a pole -for giving the same item you wasted some hours/days farming for  free- would  you still vote yes? I understand that maybe you want to test some things and lets not hide population droped so much that you maybe are in a position to test things on the server. On the other hand thats why servers have beta periods with some events  to lure people actually testing the server . Anyway, ill say it again you make things too complicated while the game and the server are quite simple. Your problems are outside the game (Donation System , Stream twitch for the server, market of l2- those 3 are the main reason you cant recycle players in this server)

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16 minutes ago, NioMode said:

Btw 60% of you voted yes  for free bonus stats ofc, why wouldnt you. Just ask yourself , if you have an item you farmed for like me and my clan did (we got lvl8 before taking castle) and suddenly there is a pole -for giving the same item you wasted some hours/days farming for  free- would  you still vote yes? I understand that maybe you want to test some things and lets not hide population droped so much that you maybe are in a position to test things on the server. On the other hand thats why servers have beta periods with some events  to lure people actually testing the server . Anyway, ill say it again you make things too complicated while the game and the server are quite simple. Your problems are outside the game (Donation System , Stream twitch for the server, market of l2- those 3 are the main reason you cant recycle players in this server)

Players can get clan skills for free anyway by just joining clans - the issue is that then they will not be able to change faction anymore for events, which causes long waiting times - since I got no way to distinguish which players are going to avoid each other (because they are trully friends) and which aren't (players who joined the clan just for its skills).

Again, all clan activites will remain the same, including clan skills (since even if a faction will not have enough reputation for a certain clan skill, your clan can still have it if you bought that skill).

It will simply allow playerrs to have clan skills without having to join a clan - and maybe also increase teamplay in events, since the amount of reputation you will get depends on it.

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6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Players can get clan skills for free anyway by just joining clans - the issue is that then they will not be able to change faction anymore for events, which causes long waiting times - since I got no way to distinguish which players are going to avoid each other (because they are trully friends) and which aren't (players who joined the clan just for its skills).

Again, all clan activites will remain the same, including clan skills (since even if a faction will not have enough reputation for a certain clan skill, your clan can still have it if you bought that skill).

It will simply allow playerrs to have clan skills without having to join a clan - and maybe also increase teamplay in events, since the amount of reputation you will get depends on it.

I understand but what makes you think that people that dont care about geting free stats now (literally just pming 1 leader and asking for clan) will care to play as a team or check the score so they get the skills after this change.Also skills- for our clan at least- wasnt free when server had good population i was taking money to invite people in order to raise the clan, i was trying to make ppl invest and care for a clan but thats not the point. You can try it but you have to understand that the core of the players here dont care for complicated staff, they just want to pvp and stay relevant in the progress part so i would suggest to keep things less complicated.With all those scores/mini games/Ranks etc etc you need to read  30 pages before playing to be able to understand whats going on if youre new.

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NioMode I love you dude but you and xVeilside should be the only 2 persons not allowed to have an opinion on this server.

 

What you did this season is what got us where we are right now. xVeil openly admits he doesn't give a fuck about the server and he only wants to win. You on the other hand, I honestly don't understand why you allied the biggest clan being the 2nd biggest clan.

 

Coming here now and talking about clans and skills is just silly, you don't give two shits about any of it, all you want is for it to stay relatively similar so you can do your little one trick again. Not saying it wouldn't have come to this either way, but definitely not as fast.

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1 minute ago, maze said:

NioMode I love you dude but you and xVeilside should be the only 2 persons not allowed to have an opinion on this server.

 

What you did this season is what got us where we are right now. xVeil openly admits he doesn't give a fuck about the server and he only wants to win. You on the other hand, I honestly don't understand why you allied the biggest clan being the 2nd biggest clan.

 

Coming here now and talking about clans and skills is just silly, you don't give two shits about any of it, all you want is for it to stay relatively similar so you can do your little one trick again. Not saying it wouldn't have come to this either way, but definitely not as fast.

You are so unfair to me especially after i explained you the reason i even participated in siege (while i wasnt participating other seasons), and if you believe that i talk about skills for the reason you say youre even more unfair (btw i informed veil i wont participate in any upcoming siege i had to participate to previous cause i was involved now that i kept my world and gave castle back im done with this shit).  And no my friend the reason this season droped faster is not because of siege, we both know 80% of people here dont ever care for siege even people that are involved in clans related to siege dont care. We had CC on both sieges i think 34 and 31 ppl i believe its fair to say that an ally could bring the same numbers , i understand how it looks but the fact that noone could make 30 ppl come to siege basically proves what i said about peoples mentallity on siege. Im not the "Boss" of the server to decide who gets the castle neither i want to be but ill remind you that previus season i suggested the castle siege to be removed and im not going to act like its removed when its not 

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2 minutes ago, NioMode said:

the reason this season droped faster is:

~)that you guys made every single siege look sick and pathetic.
~)the fact that every fckin random was subclassing tanks/warlords in order to make money and they were just cancering every map (this reminds me when everyone could sub domi)
~)and the fact that enchanting system is easier than the previous season with golems,maybe emerald must reconsider of change the max + on server and also he should add a new feature in oly (that the max + that every item will count in oly is +6) so in that way u wont see gladies,tyrants being immortal OR he could add spesific olympiad items that cant be enchanted (A grade items for example,named Olympic Dark crystal, and without being enchanted) everything +0 A grade. This could make many classes strong and you wouldnt only see tyrants/gladies after this,cause tanks,summoners,mages,sws,etc would be very competitive.

this season is over for me just for the reason that i lost my motive and all this things that i've said in this reply made me feel bored.
So, gl and  c ya in future :)

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9 hours ago, Emerald said:

Then you clearly understood it all wrong, the whole point is that people will NOT join clans randomly just for the skills by making it available to clanless people too.

 

This is the good point on this possibility to change clan system, but some us us know what can happen:
random noobs will still feed in events and troll, this guys will be most of the time trolling order(faction that is still trying to raise clans)
... Things like join maps with A grade+0 bowmans(now at least A grade is free), suicide random tankers and something else while some good players will try tthis same classes and freeze on waiting list. But thats not all: that disonest ppl who join zergs will use the temporary change faction to troll on low population again not fighting theirselves.
All this factors will make order drop hard their reputation points and probabbly lose skills. It will be not so fun.

Remember I'm not trying to desmotivate anyone. Theres only some truth about activity common things.
Anyway: I hope that our admin take the best decissions. 
If we can save this season, we should focus on try some changes. Good luck for us!

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2 minutes ago, Luffy said:

~)that you guys made every single siege look sick and pathetic.
~)the fact that every fckin random was subclassing tanks/warlords in order to make money and they were just cancering every map (this reminds me when everyone could sub domi)
~)and the fact that enchanting system is easier than the previous season with golems,maybe emerald must reconsider of change the max + on server and also he should add a new feature in oly (that the max + that every item will count in oly is +6) so in that way u wont see gladies,tyrants being immortal OR he could add spesific olympiad items that cant be enchanted (A grade items for example,named Olympic Dark crystal, and without being enchanted) everything +0 A grade. This could make many classes strong and you wouldnt only see tyrants/gladies after this,cause tanks,summoners,mages,sws,etc would be very competitive.

this season is over for me just for the reason that i lost my motive and all this things that i've said in this reply made me feel bored.
So, gl and  c ya in future :)

You are not in a position to judge as a player (low server experience-medium skill of game) not as a person either(scammer-cursing 24/7) anything on this server. This is the first and the last time i quote anything from you and i would really appreciate if you dont take part in conversation i do, i will do the same as part of this deal. gl in your life i really hope your persona is not same as in the game.

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33 minutes ago, maze said:

NioMode I love you dude but you and xVeilside should be the only 2 persons not allowed to have an opinion on this server.

 

hahahaha! I really don't know who is Nio. Its at least a player who can make some impact on massive pvp at least(with high gears)
But about veil... for real! nothing personal, but we just don't have to take seriously anything this guy do or say to feed his own ilusion.
in resume, no attention to disonest people.

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12 hours ago, Emerald said:

* Clans can still learn clan skills on their own, without the risk of losing them if the faction drops below the requirement.

 

forget what I said about newbies feeding.

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If you want to change something go with faction clan and enforce English or change nothing.
Even if skills are available for everyone there's still oly feed, castle specific benefits, stacked parties that will use SE as 2nd healer the list goes on and on.

So the only choices we got are

A - Join the zergs that recruit absolutely anyone.|
B - Play solo, and be at a disadvantage get bored and quit.
C - Call people we used to play with and make a guild/party. (And that would be a complete disaster for the server since a stacked party from any decent guild would destroy the competition and make people quit in days.)

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1 hour ago, Saintly said:

C - Call people we used to play with and make a guild/party. (And that would be a complete disaster for the server since a stacked party from any decent guild would destroy the competition and make people quit in days.)

at this option we can call friends, make a good clan to kick zergboy's asses and help lost newbies with PVP guides.

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8 hours ago, TheRev said:

Why not simply remove clan skills? So ppl join clan cuz of friendship and not for skills?

Rev, clan skills are important to reduce the ++iten effect between players.

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44 minutes ago, DiscipleOfLust said:

at this option we can call friends, make a good clan to kick zergboy's asses and help lost newbies with PVP guides.

Tried it last season but they though i was joking when they saw the Gibberish chat in spam.
Maybe ill give it a shot even tho i doubt they will be interested in IL, had enough of this.

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Posted (edited)

keep it up bois...its funny watching this...go please 

Edited by xV3iLSid3

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i see people talking about clan allies but i think im missing the point overhere...can you help me please about the big zerg of nio and veil??I dont think that zerg end the season if you cant manage just to play l2 and make a big clan with your friends...that aint my fault...the fault is your that you keep saying that same thing and talking about golems etc..keep it up bois...i want to see what you gonna spam more so you can definitely play the game in your own playstyle until you can do something...cheers!!!

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9 hours ago, NioMode said:

, if you have an item you farmed for like me and my clan did (we got lvl8 before taking castle) and suddenly there is a pole -for giving the same item you wasted some hours/days farming for  free

A grade get's to be free after certain period of time. You allredy had your advantages over B graders for a week or so. And i still see newbies joining server with B grade, but now they face S gr and even +16 enchanted ones. Some are so intimidated, they stay at the back lines till some oportunity comes up to actually earn adena from kills instead of objectives or they sub a spoiler,wl,tank and get bored, because you just can't gear up fast enough (the way AA is aquired is way to slow). And evey tyme you get shouts to go 1v1, it's a guy with +10-16 gear, enchanted skills and what not. You just want your easy kills. When server is only left with the best geared players you get bored fast, because each kill is a challenge and even more so if its a party of players with tank + healer + wl + SE + dps rolling around map.

7 hours ago, DiscipleOfLust said:

This is the good point on this possibility to change clan system, but some us us know what can happen:
random noobs will still feed in events and troll, this guys will be most of the time trolling order(faction that is still trying to raise clans)
... Things like join maps with A grade+0 bowmans(now at least A grade is free), suicide random tankers and something else while some good players will try tthis same classes and freeze on waiting list. But thats not all: that disonest ppl who join zergs will use the temporary change faction to troll on low population again not fighting theirselves.
All this factors will make order drop hard their reputation points and probabbly lose skills. It will be not so fun.

The same temporary change for faction is in place as now. You just won't be forced to wait in queue for your chosen faction, because you will be able to play on the oposite faction temporary without clan restrictions and still haw the clan skills you unlocked yourself if the oposite faction has the same clan lvl. To permanently change factions still costs 1500a. ELO takes into account player power, and factions will be disbalanced in player count on both factions, because new players start out with low ELO anyway. If one faction gets to strong, members of the dominant faction still not in the batte cant joint it anymore till the oposite faction has simmilar ELO to balance each faction out. And for now clan people are screwed, because they can't change faction temporary.

3 hours ago, xV3iLSid3 said:

i see people talking about clan allies but i think im missing the point overhere...can you help me please about the big zerg of nio and veil??I dont think that zerg end the season if you cant manage just to play l2 and make a big clan with your friends...that aint my fault...the fault is your that you keep saying that same thing and talking about golems etc..keep it up bois...i want to see what you gonna spam more so you can definitely play the game in your own playstyle until you can do something...cheers!!!

Reall players are the source of progress. You would definetly rage if the most one would get is 100a per 20 min. That's a max reward pool design per battle. All want to live the dream of literaly going on killstreaks and killing real players like mobs in pve and thats only acheveable with greather gear than them and party with support. Sadly there will always be feeding newbies without support parties, so people who are organized will always win out in the long term. People who are organized invest in clan skills, so aditionally to getting better gear, they haw a passive skill bonus advantage to everyone else and the powercreep keeps increasing. In vanila, clans skills were meant to separate the pve crowd from the pvp crowd and not let just any pve scrub haw the same advantages as pvp players. PVE privides all the gear in vanila, while pvp in l2 c6 vanila gets you apella armour and hero weapons at most, so there was a need for clan skills to exist in the first place. But this  is a FACTION server, where pve are the players themselves. If you can't see the problem here, you beter do some more reading decent books.

Edited by Zapplix

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Dude i dont want to offend you but people like you are the reason i dont share my opinions in this forum. you always miss the big picture cause your minds are still 10 years back. Ill try to give you an example on what you replied on my quote. First of all you compare the A grade free progression with clan skills progression, when some1 buys A grade he knows that in X day this item will be free so he decides that by getting it now he gets the advantage that is bigger than the Z money he gave to get the A item, also a grade is arround 5k adena to get, clan skill that matter are arround 40k adena . People will always quit server, either they broke their weapon for +10/ either they see some1 with +16 weapon and they decide to spam "donator donator" for 2 hours and then leave or will find another excuse to leave since they never been competitive and are casual players blaming anything.You and other people basically playing solo and always kinda blaming the more organized ppl that either they give no chance to newcomers on pvp or they are tryharding on a faction server, you dont fcking understand that those ppl give life to the server, when they are gone online population  starts to drop. Every1 loves to hate, every1 wants to kill them by playing solo and trashtalk them , its an extra goal to play for newcomers and solo players. What really kills the server is the non existance of recycle and ill try to explain it So since the server has no clear goals beside pvp (Score-Siege-oly are irrelevant and useless in this server) people tend to get bored and leave without something going wrong with the server, at this point server has to recycle and it cant . Why? Cause we play interlude and the first players reached to the end game phase (db +10+ groups/geared healers hard to kill/solo daggers with proper equipment and solo mages that can 1 v 1 anyone) so new comers basically dont even want to compete. At this point your donation system is useless since to be able to be  competitive with the current system you need arround 300-500 euros(i believe that 90% of the donations are on the server start or 10 days into server then almost no1 donates). Your advertising is also useless- The posts you made , the votes you made are lost under the 231231 servers that open every week -. What emerald has to do in my opinion about this?- Change the donation system, remove vote reward + scavenger expert skill and add both to a premium status that cost 5e for 2weeks/1 month and you get those as passive skills(in my opionion that trigger 100x5euro donates than 5x100 donates+ people feel they help server grow/exist with just 5e), hopezone and the other sites are so oldschool people that search there for servers stay in those server less time than i do (and i stay from 3 to 6 weeks).- Allow at least unofficialy l2traders to exist: market is big part of the game and traders want servers to keep up at least for a good period of time since every day they make profit , they literally care for your server even if they dont have the same reasons to do so with you.They donate at the start to get the advantage they need so they cash back later, so basically you take some of the money youll loose in the future from them and the most important they help with recycling since you dont need anymore 300-500 euros to start at end phase and you just need i suppose arround 100-300 ( not sure if the numbers are correct , but you get my point).-Twitch, you HAVE to buy or talk through a streamer to play your server for at least 3 weeks at the start, you have such a good online for the type of server you got and you waste it on screenshot and bullshit. STREAM is the basic adverisement in l2 and you can even get it by paying it with in game currency its like having 1 extra donator witch is not a donator and only idiots will complain about it (you had rapolas playing with avadon 6 days after server started, come on ). There are some more but for now i think its enough,this post is so off topic and so big that i have to stop  . Before blaming me for anything, i have never in the past sold a single item on ovc (i can prove it with calling dozens of ppl i gave away my equipment for free when i left ), nor im a streamer that will try to get a deal from emerald.Those are some basics of the ideas i have for server to get better and i share them before im gone again. No Haterino por favor

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